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i've been thinking a lot about how i may sound to some people and i know a lot of people are picking up on the show a lot of new listeners and it's a it's a confusion here between whether or not i'm a conspiracy theorist or that i'm a futurist or that i'm a a person who sees the future and tries to find patterns in the future i consider myself an analyst of conspiracy theories and a person who tries to project future ideas with what i call the oracle of history and human behavior and all of that and in a time when consider the word conspiracy theorist was not

considered a pejorative I set out to expose and I say this in many um in many interviews I've done they said well why did you want to do the ground zero show and I said well I wanted to expose the lies my father told me and I mean that tongue-in-cheek because now I know my father wasn't lying to me when he was telling me all these outrageous stories I mean all this about the future and what the future is going to hold. As I was growing up, men would gather at the barbershops and they'd throw around their theories about what was happening in the world. And they were, of course, older guys who grew up in the times of Kennedy, Kennedy assassination, MLK, RFK, and of course, Watergate. And so there was a very warranted mistrust of government. And not only that, but we were living in the times of the Cold War. needless to say i grew up and realized that my dad and his various conspiracy yarns and his buddies

were not lying i mean they were they were certainly talking about events of the day that the mainstream weren't talking about and back then you know there was more of an objective uh there were more objectivity news reports because there were only like three networks and then eventually when we had to create news entertainment you know we got into the the political and the and the uh you know take a side type of thing but before it was like you could talk about these things openly and and whenever uh i mean i remember there was a a guy who worked for i think it was either the salt lake tribune or uh it was called do it man and what do it man was is a guy who would investigate um he had these theories about what's going on with government

local government he'd go in and he'd uh he'd bust these guys in fact uh he actually busted a known senator from utah who was having a sexual affair with a prostitute and it's because he had some conspiracy theory that was going on and so he went after him and uh and they caught him they had him on camera going into this house and and see that was what was done with investigative journalism it was it was you know it was not beyond the pale uh for journalists to come up with an idea and investigate it and if there was nothing to the idea then they would drop it okay they wouldn't they would and that's why you know it's really odd for people like woodward and bernstein who were the guys who revealed in the post the the idea of of watergate that now they're

so critical of this type of theorizing because that's how it starts right you theorize and then you know um you know there's always the government you see which is all dolled up and scripted on tv and then there's the real government who believes that they have your future already decided and since you're the little guy you're as important to them as an ant that is struggling to get up a wet wall it's it's just the way it is I mean what does the future of humanity look like have you ever thought about that I mean a lot of people I don't think think about 10 years ahead let alone 10 minutes ahead I don't I I have a feeling they don't do that and I think it's because of the way we're being led to believe that there is no future we've been led to believe that all hope needs to be lost I mean we were told when we were kids that we would boldly go

where no one has gone before. I mean, it's Star Trek, of course, but the idea we went to the moon, I guess. Now they've delayed the moon landing that they were going to do again. They're going to say now 2025. We were going to land on the moon in 2024. Now it's 2025. It's going to be put off again and again and again and again. And it just diminishes faith because why is it that we can't do this? You've got multi-billionaires setting off rockets that look like phalluses into the sky and they can bring them back down safely, but they just can't seem to get out 250,000 miles, 230,000 miles to the moon anymore. And so that raises some critical thinking. I mean, it's outrageous thinking, right? Because there was, oh, you know, say that we didn't land on the moon,

you must be a flat earther. Well, no, not really. I'm not a flat earther. And I believe the space is real. I believe the satellites are up there. And I believe all that stuff. But just the idea in 1969, floating around the idea of a conspiracy theory, You're saying that, you know, we had technology in those rockets, technology the same as it's in your toaster oven. Our cell phone is far more advanced than what was sent to the moon, and yet we can't even get a phone call to come in clear that's just down the street. So, I mean, there's a lot of things, you know, using that critical thinking or thinking about things and going, but it doesn't make any sense. It's like what I said once. I said on the air, I said, can you tell me why last year all of these people who are medical workers and staff and first responders,

all of them braved COVID with masks and protection. They braved COVID for hell knows how long. and then when they're told you've got to get a vaccine and they said well I've already got COVID and I have antibodies or I don't want a vaccine immediately they're told they're fired after putting in all that work caring for patients all that time either getting sick or not getting sick they're forced to get the vaccine and they're saying no or they're being thrown out of their jobs we're living in some strange times today I wanted to get a head start getting some of my medication at the pharmacy. I was in gridlock at the drive-thru window. They wouldn't let anybody into the pharmacy. They closed the pharmacy for people to come in to get their medications,

but they had the drive-thru open. In the drive-thru, the car stretched for about a block, and I was there for an hour trying to get my medications because they were going to close the pharmacy on Saturday and Sunday. Why? Because there's going to be a major strike. it's going to happen with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser, they're going to go on strike on Monday if their needs are not met. They're going to walk out of hospitals, walk out of doctors' offices. And see, I don't understand why people don't say, okay, enough's enough already. You know, the president has to wake up and he has to recognize what the courts say about mandates, but he won't do it. Okay? So I'm noticing that people, I guess, are okay with the idea of living in a dystopian hellscape.

And then in the future, we're going to be fighting in the dust over a drop of water or a crust of bread or who's going to get the best toy at Christmas? Who's going to be able to get a turkey? The shortages of turkey and food, and I guess all we're going to eat at home is some turkey bean salad or something. I don't know. But, you know, there are people, there are very important people in very important lab coats that are thinking outside the box. A lot of people are thinking outside the box from quantum entanglements to the future and what they think is going to happen. And there are a number of them that are coming forward and saying, ever since this whole idea of the metaverse has come into the vernacular, into the lexicon, into the zeitgeist, okay, ever since this has happened, a lot of scientists and theorists are saying that the future

probably won't be human at all. I mean, we're not talking about a doomed war against, you know, where we're all going to be wiped out. No. Humans, a lot of scientists are saying, we're going to lose our place at the top of the food chain or the top of the world order because, well, not because it was taken from us, but because we gave it up willingly. We are gradually giving it up willingly. We're giving it up to a world government. There's some sort of universal code or universal moral code or challenge or whatever that people are saying, yeah, yeah, I think so. But see, there's even the idea that perhaps we would respond better rather than having a leader like Joe Biden or some other clown.

But whether we'd be happier or better if we have a super intelligent artificial intelligence telling us what to do. I mean, this is called the singleton hypothesis. It comes from a guy by the name of Nick Bostrom. You've heard his name. He's a philosopher. And it's the idea that humanity, or in fact, any intelligent life on Earth, will eventually live as a singleton, basically a world ruled by a single decision-making entity. And it stands to reason this will happen, or it could be happening now. We don't know. Historically, though, we have seen an overreaching trend towards the emergence of higher levels of social organizations, from hunter-gatherer bands to chiefdom, city-states, nation-states, and now multinational organizations, regional alliances, various international governance structures, and all kinds of proposals for globalization.

World Economic Forum, Bilderberg, all these baddies in conspiracy theory history. Eventually, the plan is going to be that most jobs in the future are going to be replaced by robots. and then you're going to become one of those people you currently persecute, right? You're going to be just like the rest of them. And the few of us who survive this democide will be equally disempowered, dependent, divested of possessions, enslaved to a totalitarian technocracy. We're going to own it. We're going to own nothing, and we're going to be happy. At least that's what we're told. But we're going to be happy what? In this open-air prison with mass surveillance, monitoring your every twitch, tallying credits and demerits in your social credit score,

all of these autocratic algorithms we hear about, does that sound like fun to you? Because as long as we let it go willingly, we're going to be living in a singleton existence. And this isn't right. I'm Clyde Lewis. You're listening to Ground Zero. And we'll be back. You are listening to Ground Zero.

I'm Clay Lewis. The numbers are called tonight, 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. The people today, and I don't understand why, I think maybe it was because of 9-11. We have looked to our leaders as being like moms and dads. Seriously. I mean, we've seen them as grandpas and grandmas. We have Uncle Joe and Aunt Kamala. You know, we seem to think that we're a family with divided ideas. And for some reason, it's this sentimental misimpression of executive authority. And so we have this, well, I don't know. You know, we don't want to rock the boat.

We don't want to say, hey, this is nonsense. And a lot of people who have this sentimental misimpression of executive authority, they can't believe that our government would do the things it's actually demonstrably been doing to the rest of us and peoples all over the world for decades they can't believe that this is happening they can't believe that there's a cold they can't believe that the vaccine probably is ineffective they can't believe any of that because why would they lie to us they why would who would be able to keep alive that it doesn't make any sense that we put all that trust in people who you know either wear a lab coat or wear that suit and tie and what's hilarious is is that you know it used to be that we would say to ourselves well he isn't wearing the armband he isn't wearing the khakis or the boots he isn't wearing the monocle in the eye and he's not

saluting with a sieg heil it doesn't make him bad though that doesn't matter i mean you know the thing is is that the nazis turned in their halloween costumes for suits and ties and now they hide in the shadows. And they've been carrying out massive traumatic events that have changed us over the years, from assassinations of our most beloved leaders, to the initiation and protraction of gratuitous wars and coups abroad, to the orchestration of horrific terrorist attacks on our own soil, to the stealing of elections everywhere, including here, to the harassment, and I'm not just saying the Trump Biden election okay I'm saying I think broader all right so

don't throw me in there saying oh he believes the election was fake no I'm saying that election stealing happens in every country all over the world and if anybody decides to be a whistleblower in that context they are either harassed or imprisoned or indicted or other activists are imprisoned behind bars or indicted i mean julian assange just got married behind bars how quaint how nice you know and you expose why this happens you either talk about like the the shattering experiments in mind control inflicted on prisoners mental patients students and other helpless people that's you know the mk ultra thing or we talk about the routine approval of drugs and vaccines that we don't know what they're doing to people you know we know they're not as

effective as we thought and now we know that they could be killing people and so on right i mean you can't be in denial of the fact that the vaccines now some of these vaccines have been killing people because the truth is is there's always bad side effects and people don't know as they're playing this vaccine russian roulette what's going to happen to them if they get the vaccine and that's why people make conscious choices to avoid it because they don't know how their bodies are going to react or they do know how their body is going to react. But anyone who is independent, who's an independent thinker, an independent, like this show, we're independent, okay? People always ask, well, why is it that, you know, these other shows are making millions of dollars? Why?

Well, it's because they answer to those who are investing in them. I answer to the people because they invest in me with Aftermath.media. I answer to what they say. I try to give them shows that are independent and try to be a little bit more interesting. But see, anybody who is bold enough to tell the awful truths that other media ridicule is lunacy, they are few and far between. You either have the guy with the megaphone or you have me. And that's the way it's beginning to look. It might sound crazy sometimes when I talk about my wild, outrageous stories, But see, the bottom line is there's a lot of method to the madness. And all of it's madness.

You just got to pick the madness that you want to be listening to. 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. I'm Clyde Lewis. You are listening to Ground Zero. And we'll be back. The Elvis Lives controversy got going in earnest with publication of a picture a fan took at Graceland after Presley's funeral. Now, you saw Elvis where?

In the grocery store in Vicksburg, Michigan. So what do we do with Megaphone Guy? He's not the smartest person at the party, or the most experienced, or the most articulate, but he's got that megaphone. Megaphone Guy. Some are agreeing with him, some disagreeing. But because he's so loud, their conversations will begin to react to what he's saying. As he changes topics, so do they. If he continually uses the phrase, at the end of the day, they start using it too. Old technologies get confused with new ones. Certainty produces a lot of anxiety for people,

and conspiracy theories are one way that our brain is trying to cope with it. And in fact, we see that the fear centers in the brain, the amygdala, tries to go into analytic overdrive, and it takes the same amount of limited information and keeps churning in and processing new narratives. And that's why we can see conspiracy theories 50 years after the event has happened. He's not the smartest person at the party or the most experienced or the most articulate, but he's got that megaphone. On some level, though, we have to believe it, though, don't we, Sue? For them to flourish, we have to believe it. But he's got that megaphone. We have to believe it. I want to believe in something for free. I want to believe in something I feel. I want to believe It's all that I need

I wanna believe But he's got that megaphone But he's got that megaphone But he's got that megaphone Megaphone guy Megaphone guy Your fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. That is correct, correct, correct. Good night, and good luck. He's not the smartest person at the party, or the most articulate, but he's got that megaphone. I'm Clay Lewis. You are listening to Ground Zero. The numbers to call tonight, 503-225-0860.

That's 503-225-0860. I guess Americans don't take the future too seriously. I guess they think that it's all going to be taken care of by our wonderful leaders, that they all have it in hand. But then we hear complaints all the time about, oh, the president sucks. Jimmy Carter's living long enough to see that he wasn't the worst president ever. But see, that's the thing is that, you know, do you even care that you're going to be replaced by robots, that your jobs are going to be taken because of technology? Do you even care that they're forcing scarcity on the planet? And do you even care? I mean, listeners to Ground Zero know, that all this is happening now we talked about years ago. We set up the plan. We gave you the numbers. We gave you the references. Okay. We gave you the information. Now, what you did with it, whether you prepared or not, is your business.

But we're seeing the slow disempowerment of people. People are becoming dependent. They're being divested of their possessions. They're enslaved to this totalitarian technocracy. We look at mass surveillance. That's part of vaccines and contact tracing and carbon tracing. There'll be no humans left to administer mercy. There'll be no halfway dissent or no halfway enforcement. It'll just be one slide and one size fits all. There'll be no compassion official to consider mitigating circumstances. All of the non-compliant will be washed into an unending, unflinching, unsparing blackness from which the dawn never emerges. The totality of this new world tyranny is unprecedented in human history. Indeed,

it may even signal the end of all human history now and forevermore. The singleton, think about that for a moment, the one world dictatorship. now if you want to market it in a christian way you'd call it the kingdom of the antichrist but it's the singleton it's the singleton hypothesis unless you stop colluding unless you stop enforcing unless you stop enabling this is all going to continue i mean used to be that people would say that they would die for liberty now people are willing to tie to take a one to take away people's liberty. We need to stop enforcing totalitarian measures against our neighbors on behalf of the tyrants. I mean, you think that they care about you? They wouldn't hesitate to

annihilate you if they needed to. We need to stop all of this planning that we don't approve of, the directing we don't approve of, the supervising, the controlling. We need to stop allowing them to perform their dirty work. We need to become part of a silent resistance instead of an enabler of these demicidal despots. Whether you're a law enforcement officer, a public health official, psychologist, scientist, medical professional, educator, employer, censor, propagandist, or any other agent of complicity in the war against the people, if you follow their observed mandates, you are what makes dictatorships possible. You are the problem in this country, and you don't even know it because you'll defend all this. You'll defend the censorship. You'll defend the propaganda. You'll defend the educators that are telling our children nonsense.

Because if you're one of those people, you're what makes enslavement possible. You are what makes genocide possible. You are what makes the biggest lie in history possible. As many of you know, the shows I present, I try to take puzzle pieces and I build into the reality little by little. and while some people may not understand why I talk about a subject, you can always go back and reference a past presentation in order to see that there were indications for what was coming in the future, or in this case, what happened in the present. So we're in the midst of what can be called a dark cause, and even any darker effects as causal engineers generate the vexing of evil in order to further their covetous agendas for loyalty

that destroys your freedom of choice and your human rights. Now, if we go into origins and history of words and symbolism and classic mythology, we may learn that perhaps the devil is in the details with regard to how an army of the darkest order is being gathered and it will be unleashed on the world. The Christian Satan or devil in charge basically right now has evolved over time from ideas and personifications provided by Mesopotamian Egyptian classical mythology and Hebrew demonology. Egyptian gods had qualities that were both good and evil the evil god Set represented the dark side more so than others in Egyptian mythology Set kills Osiris dismembers him and scatters his body all over Egypt Osiris's wife Isis reassembles his parts enough for a sexual union with his corpse

and that led us to the birth of Horus and of course many Mesopotamian demons have a genealogy that can be traced to these so-called unholy alliances. Their symbols remain. We have obelisks and we have pyramids, and they're all in our governments. You see them in cities where governments are. Pyramids in France, obelisks in France, arches in France, obelisks in Washington, temples made to governments. All in, you see the streets are all made like a pentagram, and the head of the pentagram is the cornerstone of the capital. the symbolism has retained its value and we know that it's part of the secret societies and they're held as talisman for the initiates in the secret schools the all-seeing eye of the

pyramid has been called the symbol of the illuminati and while there are agents of the secret societies who wish to enlighten the world there are others that wish to bring down the world and push it to the precipice of an apocalyptic end so the question is whether or not the evil groups within the illuminati are all that pervasive well the answer appears to be yes and a deeper study of certain pivotal events in history would strengthen the conclusion that we are not in control and neither are the leaders we elect let's go to dave in arizona hi dave you're on ground zero hey quite powerful show tonight thank you for taking my call thank you There's there's absolutely no doubt anyone that has a brain and two eyes can see that Joe Biden is not in control.

Somebody's got their hand up his fourth point of contact, telling him what to say and do. But more importantly, I think, is with things like the vaccine mandates, where you have people that are lining up to take the shots because they feel like they don't have a choice or people who are taking them because they absolutely believe in them. and then you have the people who are quitting, you're going to have this rate of attrition. And what you're going to get rid of is the people who believe in liberty and freedom. And what you're going to end up with are the people who believe in a totalitarian state, and you do what you're told. Americans don't want to believe. Americans believe that people are good overall. They believe that people are good and kind and want to do what's right.

And so that's why politicians put on this facade of I'm a good person. I love dogs and kitties and unicorns when in reality they're scumbags. Well, Dave, you make an excellent point because I always thought of this. I said, how is it? How can you be that type of person that you go to bed every night and then you wake up the next day, put on your socks and shoes and your pants, go downstairs, bring yourself a cup of coffee, get yourself a Danish, read in the paper that you killed a village of Afghanis or that you left behind 500 600 people in Afghanistan when you decided to pull out and how can you live with yourself they can because they're psychopaths right yeah and then you try and process how do you not prosecute those people

yeah it's because they're killing for you Dave Dave they're killing for you that's why The American people say, well, he's killing for me. He's doing this for me. And no one questions it. And if they do question it, they're being told, well, this is what presidents do. No, we should attain something higher, but we're not going to because we just let politics as usual happen. And it's not good for the health of the country. Well, I think a lot more people are starting to question this. But the problem is that there are individuals like my vet. I adore the guy. He's great, takes care of my dogs, and he's smart. He's an intelligent man, and he's somewhat conservative, but he lost a friend on 9-11 in the towers, and you cannot

discuss with him the possibility that the U.S. government might have been behind the bringing down of the towers. And so people in this country, Americans, have to have this point where they open their eyes and they say, holy crap, we've been lied to. This isn't what they told us that it is. And for me, it was 2016. The election in 2016 was the point where I opened my eyes because I realized that we were being lied to by the media. You know, the problem is, I don't know if you've heard about Austria recently, right? But Austria is imposing new lockdowns for the unvaccinated. So Arnold Schwarzenegger has got to be Sig Heilig and wetting his pants man he's got to be the happiest man on the planet right now right because he

totally thinks we should give up our freedoms but here in tucson the electric company tep and the water company tucson water they are mandating that people be vaccinated or they're going to lose their jobs and people in the water company are going to walk out people in the power company are going to walk out um we have doctors and nurses they're going to we have doctors and nurses are going to walk out of Kaiser on Monday and it's just scary to think about. It's like I said, I was waiting in line today and I thought to myself, you know, my pharmacy is closing on Saturday and Sunday. That's bizarre. Why? And I called my doctor and I said, hey, I mean, I don't belong to Kaiser, but I'm just saying I call my doctor and I says, hey, you better get my medications in or I'm going to have to wait. You know, there's some of my life-saving medications. I said, I'm going to have to wait before I can take them.

I can wind up in the hospital with a stroke or something worse. And they said, okay, we'll get them right done. So they got it right there. That's the first time I've ever seen them just like get right on it. and I called the pharmacy and I said to them, I said, uh, can you give me any tips on how I can get these pills? Because I cannot go without them. And he said, okay, the pharmacy is closing down. You're not going to be able to go into the store and get them. You have to be in your car. We opened the window at noon. I was there at noon and there was a long line. Oh, I was there just before noon. And there was a long line at the window already. And I got out of there. It took me an hour to go through the drive-through to get my medications, but I got through. and so that was good but it you know it's funny that he had to tell me he says here's your tip so you can get in and get out of there and i even paid in advance i said i'm gonna pay in advance so

when i get to the window i can go and it's like this is what you have to do now you have to do somersaults and and pinwheels and hula hoops jump through hoops and you have to do it like a good dog it's like what do they say you know a dog a dog is a good dog if he jumps through hoops when you whip him but an even better dog jumps through a hoop when you don't have to whip him that's where i am i had to jump through who you know yeah go ahead no i was gonna say this administration is turning this country into a third world country and they're doing it intentionally oh yeah and you've got pete butta judge who seriously like let his second in command take over because he's too busy worrying about his adopted child to actually be in charge of transportation oh but now they're gonna do a huge crime movie about him and his and his partner oh who cares i know who cares this is nothing more than another way to become a president of the

united states that's what it is his answer to everything is that covid and all of this blockchain uh delay will stop when everybody gets vaccinated come on man that's a bunch of horse crap and if you believe it you need to take you know you need to take a breath oh believe me i've been reading stuff on on twitter this past couple days about the argument as to whether or not if you got the vaccine and you got covid it lessened your symptoms wake up the symptoms for a lot of people are lessened because you have like a 97% recovery rate even without the vaccine. Dave, thanks for the call. Yeah, I was listening to the statistics today. And I don't know. I don't even know if people listen. All they hear is death, death, death, death, death, death, death. It's a death thing. You know, I don't know what it's going to take to get people out of this

zombified hex that we're under. It's one of the greatest conspiracies of all time. It certainly is. 503-225-0860 that's 503-225-0860 I'm Clyde Lewis you're listening to Ground Zero and we'll be back 503-225-0860.

Let's go to Cody in North Carolina. Hi, Cody. You're on Ground Zero. Hello. Hey, go ahead. Hi, Clarence. Hi. Good to be talking to you again. Good to talk to you. I just wanted to talk about how it just really depresses me to think about the fact that it seems like people in my generation, I'm 31, so I guess I would be considered a millennial, are more willing to accept this, all this top-down control, this move towards centralization and totalitarianization of government. It's not just your generation, Cody. It's everybody. And that's the phenomenon. The phenomenon is that everybody, most people, are being compliant.

They're being compliant because you would be compliant, too, if you were so terrified of dying or killing someone by spreading an invisible enemy. It's like you cannot quantify something you cannot see. And so if they tell you, it's everywhere. If there's a boogeyman everywhere, yet you can't see him, but it's real, and people are dying from that boogeyman, people are going to obey and do whatever they're told that's a good way of looking at it you're right it does pass multiple groups and everything else have you noticed that terrorism isn't happening anymore Cody have you noticed when was the last time we heard of a terrorist attack when I was a kid when the 9-11 thing happened and everything terrorism was everything that was on the news

how many school shootings have you heard about How many school shootings have you heard about, Cody? Yeah. Not lately. No. Exactly. People are too scared. They're too scared to do anything. So when we start hearing about more violence and more, you know, it's all going to be about the weather now. It's going to be about climate change. There's going to be violence, gun violence in the future where they're going to say, oh, got to get rid of the guns. I mean, I don't know if people really can see the patterns here. It's a language unto itself. All right. They call it twilight language. And we are heading towards something that's called a singleton existence. And I don't know. I don't know if people want to fight against it.

I don't know if people have the ability to fight against it. And of course we do. We've had the power all along. It's just that no one's telling us we have it. But it runs a risk. Okay. And that's the thing is that it's a risk that maybe we have to take in order to get back to normal again. it's it's it's like when roy neary takes off his mask because they're going to the devil's tower he says i can breathe in the air there's nothing wrong with the air and everybody else is afraid to take off theirs they said well the government tells us to not to not to wear masses because we're not supposed to get involved well you're gonna have to get involved because it's gonna get harder and harder for you to live and you're gonna have to start listening and understanding that there yet that there is a conspiracy and it's against you it's not red state or blue state

It's the state versus you, and it's always been. 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. Back with more Ground Zero. Don't go away. It's a well-known fact that controversial talk show hosts have recently been censored and even banned on the internet by corporate and political interests. Hey, guys, it's Clyde Lewis from Ground Zero. And in order to counter the suppression of information, we've decided to create our own private digital playground called Aftermath. It's an exclusive online multimedia library featuring a social media platform, videos, audio clips, archive shows, research groups, documents, and a news aggregator. In addition, we're hosting other Ground Zero-friendly podcasts like Conspira Fact with Wes and Bill, Into the Microcosm with Jimmy Jean,

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Wait, Jimmy. I'm Clyde Lewis, and this is Ground Zero. The numbers to call tonight, 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. There has been a virtual cornucopia of news events that have been touched upon and later ignored by the mainstream media. And the narrative is now being constructed to avoid any mention of some sort of diabolical collusion with secret groups. And there has also been a conspiracy of silence or a conspiracy of obfuscation when it comes to a major event that changes our lives because of the trauma it causes.

Now, keep in the back of your mind that the official explanations of the Kennedy assassination, the 9-11 attacks, the Las Vegas massacre, OKC, Oklahoma City, all of these stories, all of the narratives are riddled with contradictions. And they're difficult to explain. I mean, we gather puzzle pieces. we connect the dots as we see that ominous coincidences pile up and we see patterns pointing towards the truths about secret agencies orchestrating these events towards sinister goals and as we magnify and study digging deeper patterns emerge that ultimately coalesce into an alternative history of alternate history of the world alternate history alternative history or conspiracy, explains world events as resulting from the machinations of powerful, dark cabals of

secret organizations where many of the global elite are members. And there are many within the elite body that focuses on blood lineage to give validity to their modern vampirism. Whether you want to believe it or not, generational occultism has reached into all levels of society, including law enforcement and the justice system. As we reported last night, we need to pay attention to not only what is being presented but what isn't being presented with regard to events that create mass death and panic the occult revival being experienced throughout the world right now may be the direct outcome of this generational occultism that's been encouraged by select groups some theorists claim that the illuminati cabal that holds the reins of power some of them say they're reptilian vampires some say they're inheritors of the nephilim i mean all kinds of different ideas that indicate that ritual is part of their handiwork.

You wonder why people care about the Travis Scott concert? Well, I'll tell you why they care about it, because they knew, they were seeing what is called language. It's a special language, twilight language. Conspiracy writer Michael Hoffman, he wrote the book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, and he said this in the book. There is a dark poetry to ritual murder, to twilight language, to the fantastic convergences known as coincidence. Most conspiracy researchers miss this. The best investigator of the occult, or almost of anything else, has a childlike sense of curiosity and wonder about seemingly mundane things. So Hoffman's indicated that the devil worked in a way that is peculiar and yet

predictable, and those in his employ tend to act out mini dramas and use mythological witchery in order to conduct the perfect sya. Hoffman also points out in the book that the elite looking at the world through their psychopathic eyeglasses have an occult allegiance to powerful and symbolic metaphors and shadowy archetypes that they use to show that they're in control of the situation, that they use their images and symbols as indictments that give away some of their devious plans. It needs to be said the powers that are beholden to other powers are very careful to include hints and clues as to what their plans are through the icons they choose to include in the names they wish to utter in order to fortify the spells they cast on the world. The United States has its share of traumatic ritual events and it's because of Michael Hoffman that I had

a different view of the world when I read some of his books and how he explains how it seems to be some medieval play that our leaders like to carry out. Michael Hoffman is an independent scholar and the author of 10 books of history and literature, three of which have been published overseas in French, Japanese, and other translations. He studied political science and history under the Faiz Abu Jabbar at the State University of New York in Oswego and at Hobart College under Francis J.M. O'Loughlin, a former reporter for the New York Bureau of Associated Press. Mr. Hoffman is the editor of Revisionist History Newsletter and his address online is revisionisthistory.org. I'm very excited to bring back to the program Michael Hoffman. Hey, Michael, welcome back to Ground Zero. Thank you, Clyde. It's good to be here. It's been a long time. I mean, far too long.

I'm very happy that your new book, The Twilight Language Book, is finally out so we can get an idea of, I mean, how you coined the phrase twilight language, how twilight language is the secret languages, the neurolinguistic programming, the revelation of the method to indicate that something is brewing, something is happening. And see, the thing that's most interesting is that you've been at this. How many years have you been doing this? How many years have you been writing about these topics? Writing about it since about 1975. So since 1975, and I remember back in the day where it was okay to open your mind and talk about controversial subjects that were considered conspiracy theory, but they were also considered part of history. I mean, there was the random part of history, and then there's the conspiracy history.

and clearly there shouldn't be a stigma attached to the questioning of an official account of any major event that changes our lives but yet it's changed why do you think it's changed it's changed because of what i regard as this alchemical processing you mentioned the middle ages and that's when that really came to the fore and of course it's always talked about in terms of turning base metals into gold but all of that is just a metaphor for the negrito taking a human beings from the negrito to the golden state and the occult is always promoting the idea that we're on an evolutionary ascent so uh we're really dealing with an alchemical distillation of humanity and that's more or less the central point of uh the new book twilight language yeah i had a

number of people on the show we've been really hitting this idea that since metaverse was first announced it was the idea that again it's the attempt of creating the homunculus or creating the alchemical golem if you will pushing us in a direction where we decide that we want to render ourselves extinct or opening ourselves up to what Bostrom has said now is the singleton existence where one particular intelligence or leadership or governmental body is going to be dictating to us how we should live well all of this processing all of these ruses the the whole invisible empire set up, which involves twilight language, symbol manipulation, ritual murder, black masses, which you covered very well in your opening remarks. They collectively broadcast as

mundane current events in crime beat news, and that's how people dismiss them. But it's all done under the shepherding of spirits that, as Charlie Lutz informed me many years ago, have never been born and never will be born and they hate and envy a human life and they have through their agents on this earth worked for the coming of of robotics and the rule or reign if you will of dead matter and that goes all the way back to dr john d the astrologer royal for queen elizabeth the first and so they've used secrets as you and i know in the keeping of secrets to empower this network. But what's very interesting about the time we live in is that their secrets, which have

been kept for thousands of years and was part of the charm of an inducement of their recruitment, now as we enter this terminal stage of century 21, are freighted with the inevitabilism with which they like to invest everything they conspire to do to tell us that it's inevitable. the metaverse is part of that and an inevitable progression and um that's their predictive programming so consequently they call this era of ours must be connoting that this is the terminal age that had to be and that it had to spring to life by the extraordinary situation of again what you mentioned the revelation of the method which is to say the making manifest of what is hidden

And this, for me, is the missing element which so much of the conspiracy movement, which I consider 90% of it to be useless or worse than useless, continues to overlook. So that the pattern of keeping secrets has been broken, and now they are revealed. And those secrets are being revealed because humanity has reached the stage where these formally clandestine truths can be revealed to humanity. The truth in Century 21 is told, but the truth or consequences factor is no longer in play. And as you know, when they killed JFK, they did some of the planning in the town of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, in the state that's called the Land of Enchantment.

It's just a little dusty desert town, but they went there as a ceremonial acknowledgement of what is really a high stakes gamble that they were engaged in. And my point now is, is that in 1963, you know, Americans were relatively free of the processing compared to 2021. And those Americans back then would have hanged the government officials and mafia bosses responsible for JFK's assassination if the perpetrators had been identified and caught and tried. But in 2021, what I call the blackjack age, because it's a game of hazard, the game of 21, it's a 2001 odyssey supercharged on September 11th. And so the truth can be told about some of the darkest secrets and there are no consequences.

So the truth or consequences factor has been put into suspended animation due to the time in which we dwell, because time relations among events are assumed to be first constituted by the specific physical relations obtaining between them. In other words, in the once and future Camelot time, it's influenced by space, specifically the ceremonies and events that occur in significant places on the checkerboard, such as the 33rd and 42nd degree lines of north parallel latitude. Right. And that's some toponomy that I want to get into with you because, of course, Michael is responsible for the King Kill 33 theories about the 33rd parallel, the 42nd parallel.

And that's some interesting stuff to delve into tonight on Ground Zero. Michael A. Hoffman with us tonight. So glad to have him on the program after so long. 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. This is what conspiracy theory is to a historian. And that's why it's so important that Michael's on the program. 503-225-0860. We'll be back. There are many things that happen in cycles,

and sometimes those cycles have a wider revolution. And I've talked before about vision triplicity. I've talked about the numbers in triplicate. The number three, especially, are 33. When using paranormal methods to pinpoint dates with destiny, you sometimes free-form your thoughts, and at times it can be daunting. And I'm certain that we're seeing revolutions and cycles happening all the time. And when I see numbers and patterns, I point them out. People think, well, it's just random, but it's not random. There is power in numbers and symbols. This goes all the way back to the ancient Egyptians. Michael Hoffman, Michael A. Hoffman, who's on the show tonight, was the first writer to introduce me to all of these fundamentals in trying to find patterns in our history. Michael's with us tonight on Ground Zero. So tell us about the 33, because I know that you're well known for King Kill 33.

So it was Shelby Downard, of course. Tell me about that. Well, if you look at the lines of latitude and longitude around the globe, and these are artificial, of course, Sir Christopher Wren having a large part and involvement in the British occult element here is really paramount. But it's a case of people doing the research and looking at what has transpired along the 33rd and 32nd degree. And as you know, in Freemasonry, 32nd and 33 are the highest degrees. Of course, there's the successor movement to the Freemasons, the Ordo Templi Orientis. But the most powerful Masonic body in the world, not just in the United States, is the Scottish Rite Southern jurisdiction, and their headquarters is located on the 33rd degree line.

And President Kennedy was assassinated just off the 33rd degree at 32nd and some degrees. And, of course, the atomic bomb or the creation and destruction of primordial matter, as Mr. James Shelby Downer called it, took place on the 33rd degree at the Trinity site, at the place where the Jornada del Muerto, the journey of the dead man, met the Trinity site. and uh so we go around the globe and we look at these significant occurrences they can't possibly be significant they can't possibly be coincidences they have to be synchronized because so many important and pivotal events occurred there right and then in my new book twilight language i go into the 42nd degree uh something that's known to historians as in the northeast as the burned

district or the psychic highway. That's their term. And it's been used in traditional historiography by empirically based researchers to describe the enormous flourishing of revolutionary movements that occurred on that 42nd degree line. Although they don't recognize the 42nd degree, they've spent all this time studying that particular toponomy and never really coordinating it with 42nd. And other people are welcome. I know that the 37th degree has been nominated. Of course, if we go too far into this, we can find significance in everything. And that's something where we have to be able to draw distinctions. It's where the cryptocracy operates to muddy the waters in the sense that there's so many competing theories about who

killed President John F. Kennedy that after a while people shrug their shoulders in despair and say well maybe everybody killed Kennedy like the cryptocracy planted the idea at one point that virtually everything causes cancer so why bother about trying to defend yourself against pesticides and herbicides so it's a snare you have to be careful of it well and what's interesting about the 33rd parallel in the in the king kill 33 situation is that most of these traumatic events that have happened on the 33rd parallel you look at uh JFK uh assassinated in Dallas which of course was on the 33rd parallel. RFK assassinated in California on the 33rd parallel. I think Oklahoma City was on the 33rd parallel. Roswell, the crash at Roswell was on the 33rd parallel. I could go down a whole list.

And most of the wars that we have fought in the Middle East on the 33rd parallel. And it's just something about spilling blood or doing the Divine King play, basically removing either a group of people or someone who is important, some traumatic event has to be done in that location. And I have to, I guess I'm going to have to read up on the 42nd because that's going to be one more thing. But like you say, there are competing theories that do muddy the waters. And that's what's most unfortunate because at the time that I was reading your books and learning a lot from you and realizing that this is something that is intricate, it's puzzle piecing, it's putting together, it's not clickbait nonsense you get from QAnon. This is something that really needs to be looked at from a historical perspective.

Yes, you have to apply the rules of evidence. But for my own studies, I apply the epistemology of Charles Hoy Fort, the founder of the movement that bears his name, where he said you measure since we're dealing with measurement and so much of our own theory of knowledge and how we look at the world is based on what yardstick we apply to it. And Fort famously said, you measure a circle beginning anywhere. And the problem with academia and those who admirably use the rules of evidence is they also use an exclusionary rule of their own, which is to damn those facts and ideas which don't fit their confirmation bias. Right. The inconvenient confirmation bias that we see in the media, that we see everywhere.

And that's why we have the division in ideas. And I'm so glad you're on the show. It's so refreshing to hear you, Michael, after all these years talking about all these things. Because, again, read a lot of your books. And a lot of the reasons why I talk about what I talk about and understand is because of what Michael Hoffman has written in the past. And what he's writing now, his new book called Twilight Language. 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. Back with more. Michael Hoffman right here on Ground Zero. Don't go away. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.

Ask what you can do for your country. Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy. Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy. Free men cannot be frightened by threats. No one, no matter where he lives or what he does, can be certain who next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. But that's America. And yet it goes on and on and on. From Dallas, Texas, the flash, apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1 p.m. Central Standard Time.

FBI tried two sets of tests. Not one of their sharpshooters could match Oswald's performance. Not one. And Oswald was at best a medium shot. The scope was effective on it, too. I mean, that's the whole essence of the case. I have to turn my head until my darkness goes.

The guy couldn't fill the sheet. Nobody could. What do you want? 17, 14, 9, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 and group think on issue after issue after issue, often ignoring important factual information because it doesn't fit with all the important things that the people say is true, the important

people. But what is reported is not always the truth, but that should be obvious to critical thinkers. Michael, that brings up a question. Is it truly conspiracy theory or is it critical thinking? Most of what I see in conspiracy theory today is very troubling. I think that it reflects more Cass Sunstein's idea about cognitive dissonance and infiltration, which he laid out as a manifesto, again, revelation of the method, a very important man related to Obama's administration, and then his wife is Susan Powers, a top member of the cryptocracy. But I believe that what we have is is we have a burnout factor inside of conspiracy theory.

For example, I recently received an email saying that the United States government is definitely going to infect the population with smallpox. And when I questioned how someone had that information, I was accused of various things. And what I tried to respond to say is so many people have dropped out of the truth movement and of being part of this search and sleuthing because they've been burned out by false prophecies and date settings and apocalyptic scenarios that never come to pass. And I wonder to what extent are our enemies involved in that very demoralization because their thing is cognitive warfare. You know, it's a key part of psychological warfare, which entails more than just controlling

information. It targets the way people respond to information. and it causes them to, in my view, it causes them to auto-destruct in terms of their willpower, their energy, activism, their willingness to act, and this is destruction from within. And at that juncture, we observe this mechanism that I talk about, word wizardry, you can call it, James Shelby Downard referred to it as that. He also used the phrase twilight language, wherein language itself is weaponized as a kind of collective mesmerism. And, you know, as you know, this is performed with words of power, as the ancient Egyptians termed it, and what today we call twilight language. And, you know, people can laugh about that, but we can dispel the mysticism and the spookiness and enter the realm of the multimillion-dollar advertising agencies that use significant words to program people into buying.

It certainly works. Otherwise, no one would pay millions of dollars to broadcast a one-minute commercial on the Super Bowl. People can expect that these techniques are employed to make money. They can accept that. But they deny that similar forms of manipulation, albeit on a much more esoteric and Jungian level, are utilized to condition and process us. As part of this occult game, which has been played for much higher stakes than mere financial profit, And so these words that I study and some of the key words are Parsons, Pike, Fayette, which James Shelby Downard's colleague, Bill Grimstad, pioneered in his seminal essay in Fortean Times on the Fayette factor, Wicker and Willard.

And the Willard Hotel, the New York Times has published two prominent reports on the Willard Hotel in Washington just in the last week as being the heart of Trump's alleged January 6th insurrectionist conspiracy. And you really can't escape Willard in American history. It's one of the most important memes wielded by cognitive control. And it's been imperative since the 19th century. I call it the overlook hotel of the American group mind, shining and haunting and shaping it. And this is part of the neuro-linguistic psychological warfare which Twilight Language represents. Well, and this type of, I mean, they can use the language on us, but when we turn the tables and use the language on them, they don't like it.

They have an allergic reaction to it. It's a very violent allergic reaction. You see it in the media. You see it elsewhere. and I remember reading uh what was it conspiracy theories and other dangerous ideas that was a that was Cass Sunstein that wrote that and it was so weird that they you know back when that was written I can't remember what year was written they saw conspiracy theory as one of the greatest threats to uh the the government and uh in fact Sunstein had written a number of responses he said uh well he had five different responses or strategies he said that any social engineer managing the population deploying conspiracy theory either should be arrested, they should ban conspiracy theorizing, imposing taxes or financial hardship on those who disseminate conspiracy theories.

Also, counter speech, once again, talking about your twilight language, their marshalling arguments, discrediting the conspiracy theories, hire credible private parties to engage in counter speech so they have this organized effort to create cognitive dissonance in the country this is why uh this is some orwellian fever dream that has not drawn any criticism from the media they they always tell you that they abhor conspiracy theories but they whip up conspiracy theories just to get a rise out of people like russian collusion and i could just go down the list of all the conspiracy theories we had shoved down our throats in the last four years yes it's hilarious because they themselves are purveyors of conspiracy theories to an astounding degree. And in their own myopia and egoism, they're not able, apparently, to have enough self-consciousness

to realize they're guilty of what they accuse others of. Right. And what it does is it brews complacency, I believe, because, like you say, if everybody is muddying the waters, then no one's going to believe or take any credibility in anyone who is speaking outside the margins. The lines are delivered by the people who frame the narrative. And anyone who talks against the narrative are either going to be censored, banished, canceled or controlled. And then, of course, many people who do this type of thing have to go on an apology tour, which is similar to the show trials we saw during the Stalin era, during the Russian eras. And yet I wonder what is our own degree of culpability in this scenario, because we ourselves have this put right in front of us directly,

the evidence that we don't need Cass Sunstein or the media to sustain or confirm these things. We have our own powers of reason and deduction to be able to recognize it. And I would say that we actually do. But in terms of this processing from the 2001 Odyssey to the stage where we are today, I believe that we've been sufficiently processed so that we're our powers of reason have been occluded to a certain extent. Right. You know, when when words are supercharged by these these references and these invocations of sex and death patterned and imprinted on the group mind with with repetition and and then through the shedding of blood in connection with that imprinting, which certain serial murder events actually are intended to be.

Not all of them, but like the Son of Sam was certainly that. The Route 91 Harvest Massacre that you alluded to earlier of the country and western fans in Las Vegas, which is particularly egregious, that was done before the pomps and props of ancient Egypt. One of those hotels is an ancient Egyptian-themed hotel. That's where the massacre occurred. That's where those people were sacrificed. And, you know, when I talk about culpability, Clyde, people cared for a while. You know, Tucker Carlson did a show in Las Vegas dedicated to trying to get to the bottom of it. And the conspiracy theory movement put out some videos on YouTube. And now it's largely forgotten. Yes. And the same is true with 9-11. In September, Ocasio-Cortez attends a millionaire's fashion gala near the site of the Twin Towers.

And that's where she wore her fabulously expensive Eat the Rich ball gown, if you remember, rubbing shoulders with fashionistas like Anna Wintower and the cocktail circuit progressives. 20 years, a mere 20 years after thousands of Americans were sacrificed by George W. Bush at the site of the Twin Towers. And it's all forgotten or largely forgotten other than these kind of anemic memorials which uphold the establishment story. and you know have another cocktail for the united states of amnesia because the enemies of humanity depend on this apathy this fog of memory when they perpetrate their spectacular bloodletting that's their bet they know how burned out their target population is and they know they can they

can commit these horrible crimes with impunity because as the sanskrit texts say the loss of memory is a root of evil. Indeed, it is, along with the love of money. So these criminal accull orchestrations don't function as intended if the criminals behind these acts, these evil acts, are apprehended and prosecuted. And that's what's missing. And that was the miracle of District Attorney Jim Garrison in New Orleans. For the first and only time, he had some of the actual junior executives involved in the conspiracy to kill JFK, A conspiracy so immense. He had Clay Shaw. He was after Guy Bannister and Carlos Marcello and the CIA. He was going to bring them all into court. And then his life began to unravel.

And that's the reason why I endeavored to interview Charles Harrelson in prison when he was still alive as Dorothy Kilgallen interviewed Jack Ruby in prison. But it didn't pan out. Why not? Well, you'd have to ask Woody about that. I was thinking about what you were saying with regard to how things are just you know upside down with regard to I remember one of the things among other things that really had me kind of weirded out was when George H.W. Bush died and the media was fawning all over him as a great as a great man and I felt horrible because I knew and you know just how the Bush family operated and what they do and what I hell I even met George W. Bush uh in New York I met him and and and even though I

met him and I found him to be a very pleasant guy to talk to as a president and like you say how is it that we got those planes into New York it'd be a difficult thing with someone else that's standing uh at the helm but for some reason it happened on his watch and then we have George H. W. Bush who's been a CIA operative since the very beginning since the times of Kennedy till the time that he was in the presidency. His father, of course, was one of the industrialists that were involved with the Nazi coup of FDR. And it's like, you know, people, like you say, memory does not serve well. And so the media fawning over somebody like George H.W. Bush, I was like blown away. I couldn't believe it. This is the generational occultism that you spoke of. Prescott Bush, who was part of Skull and Bones, allegedly stole the head of Geronimo and brought it to the tomb

there at Yale University, and George H.W. Bush, head of the CIA, top conspirator, lured Saddam Hussein into invading Kuwait, and George W. Bush, the dynastic occult. And when he was interviewed on NBC by Tim Russert, and he was asked, what about skull and bones? And he said, it's far too secret for me to ever talk about, while he's denying conspiracies. And then, of course, he asked John Kerry the same thing because he's a bonesman and what happened after that? Poor guy died. I thought it was kind of a coincidence. It was scary to think about. That's why I'm kind of giggling. I'm not getting about him dying but the idea that it's just a terrifying thing that if you push too hard sometimes you just don't come back. Michael A. Hoffman with us tonight on Ground Zero. Fascinating show. Fascinating

speaker. Certainly his books if you want to find them they're available. Twilight Language is the new book and we'll be back with more. Keep it here on Ground Zero. The numbers to call tonight 503-225-0860 That's 503-225-0860 If you have any questions, we'll open the phones for you as well We'll be back with more Don't go away, keep it here on Ground Zero Michael A. Hoffman with us tonight on Ground Zero.

I just got this story sent to me via email. I remember reading it. It was back in the summertime. Somebody put a headline out. It says, new study indicates conspiracy theory believers have less developed critical thinking abilities. This is the type of Cass Sunstein type cognitive dissonance that's being spread, basically saying that conspiracy theory believers have less developed critical thinking abilities. I guess that means all police officers who have conspiracy theories about criminals, they're also, they don't have any critical thinking skills either. Or judges who make decisions on cases, they don't have good critical thinking abilities as well. or adam schiff who imagines that uh that trump was the close co-conspirator with vladimir putin yeah i mean no one no one challenges him on that conspiracy theory and i remember the whole time

going okay you know talking about it and talking about and talking about it and then what do they do they turn around and they're telling you that everybody who does not listen to them and follow their lead or whatever is a fascist or they're a nazi and then what do they do they turn around and they used the term the big lie to describe what it is that the election was all about. And I'm thinking these guys use their own tactics. They call other people these names, but they're not willing to wear the moniker themselves. And they are certainly doing exactly the things that they say that they don't do. Sir Francis Dashwood's Hellfire Club in the 18th century, which had many members of the ruling class as part of it. And there, one of the key principles was the mockery of their victims.

And in the Jack the Ripper murders, for example, you can see the kind of baiting and mockery that went on there with Masonic symbolism. Very blatant. And it's something that really can't be denied. The same thing in the Son of Sam killings where the semi-literate David Berkowitz was alleged to have written these hauntingly evocative letters to Jimmy Breslin, which were published when Berkowitz couldn't possibly have done it. And the police knew that. Journalists knew it. Some New Yorkers knew it. It was done deliberately as a form of mockery of victims, an important element inside the occult. Right. Right. And a lot of these, there's a lot of a cult-based ritual that goes on. In fact, right now, the Travis Scott issue is, I'd like to get your opinion on that coming up after the break.

Do you have an opinion on the Travis Scott situation? I don't. In fact, it was interesting to me that you had suggested that there were some twilight language lingo in there. And I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to it, except that usually stampedes like that only occur in places like India. And I was surprised that it would happen here. But I suppose that with this group mind aspect of more or less an organism, a collective mind organism stampeding like that, it might fit. But no, I haven't given it a great deal of attention. Because a lot of it reminded me of Altamont and the idea that there was a CIA co-conspiracy with regard to introducing LSD and strychnine into the LSD. And that's why everything went crazy. And there were drugs involved with this as well.

and there was also accusations of satanic activity, again triggering satanic panic. It's just a crazy world we live in right now. Michael A. Hoffman with us tonight on Ground Zero. If you have any questions, please call the show, 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. More to come on this spectacular show. We'll be back. We'll see you next time.

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And then after everything would settle, we'd hear about various drills taking place and how FBI informants were monitoring the perps or having conversations with them before they committed their crimes. well this of course is you know triggered a conspiracy trope of claims of crisis actors and false flags and to this day we now have armchair conspiracy spinners that will use these worn out conclusions because they're either lazy or not capable to go beyond the headline posts of facebook they want clickbait conspiracy theory has been watered down and ridiculed and this too has been by design as we hear of zany ideas that either jfk jr will rise up from the dead to support Trump or that by some miraculous oversight they'll return again to unite the flock but then again what flock is he uniting the sheep ready to be shorn because they think an alternative

voice is the true voice but what's most frustrating is just when you think you figured out the machinations of those who rule from the shadows something happens it's so absurd it doesn't need conspiratorial explanations there's there's no theory but there's obviously a conspiracy the question is whether or not the ideas in your theory stick there's an odd lack of concealment which points away from the name perps. What sort of false flag execution leads to the necessity of extensive media cover-up and behind-the-scenes pressure? We're talking about cover-up requirements for decades after the event due to the sloppiness. Yes, there are mistakes due to factors like competing factions, compartmentalization, complexity, efforts by insiders to mitigate the plot, brazenness, all those things. Nevertheless, the pattern suggests that there are way too many mistakes going on.

For example, you have a passport that survives flight 9-11 and is conveniently found. That's indicative of a deliberate intention to reveal that unnamed perps were involved in the attack. One theory is that this serves to intimidate, demoralize, and confuse anyone who doesn't readily accept the standard line, meaning that we're talking about mass psychology. We're talking about mass psychological goals as opposed to some esoteric religious cult-like revelation of the method explanation. I see it as the devolation of the method, where the predictive programming is a distraction rather than the meat of the matter. So while many of the witchy synchronicities have been indicated before in alternative histories, many are still being seen as unsolved conspiracies and cover-ups. This is the beauty and the intrigue of Twilight Language and the beauty and the intrigue of conspiracy history.

Tonight, Michael A. Hoffman is with us in his book, Twilight Language. You know, the mainstream media in its framing war will tell you that conspiracy theories are divisive, dangerous, and even evil. But are we seeing that word or the words conspiracy theory or theorists being turned into a pejorative? And how do we beat that? I'm not sure that we need to because I'm willing to abandon the whole thing. I really believe that it's, except for a few honorable exceptions, I think that it's worse than useless because it keeps people in this ghetto of thrill-seeking. And that's one of the points that I raise in Twilight Language, where as we confront these different exciting scenarios, which are adrenaline-inducing, and we go from one serial killing to Kennedy assassination,

to school shooting, to 9-11, and to Las Vegas, and what is the sum of it? What is the and import? What do we derive from it other than greater and greater thrills that some of us need, like Frankenstein's monster needs jolts of electricity in order to feel alive? And what happens is I think the medium becomes the message and conspiracy theorizing exists for its own sake. Whereas myself, I'm very passionate to bring the criminals who are responsible for these conspiratorial acts of bloodshed and murder and suborning of our constitution to justice in a court of law before a jury trial of their peers, and then they would be punished. And then we begin

to see a break in both the recruitment efforts, because it's very easy to recruit for the cryptocracy right now, because their projected inevitabilism is we are immune and we are unconquerable. And when you have a reputation like that, it tends to snowball and become self-enforcing. So where does conspiracy theory step outside the theorizing and actually become practical like Jim Garrison had it way back in the late 1960s? And until I see that, I'm very concerned that in itself, it's sort of the Ouroboros, the snake that's eating its own tail. And I really begin to see the thumbprint of the cryptocracy deep inside of it, shepherding it as much as it's shepherding the mainstream media. So in those two polarities,

I think we need to be independent and step outside and embrace a larger vision. Yeah, I feel that way too. I mean, 30 years ago when I did this show or, you know, a little over 25, 30 years, I did the show. I started out as, you know, crazy Clyde. Now I'm pop culture Clyde and the reason, and so are you really, I mean, you know, reading your books over time and, and reading them now, I got the twilight language book and I was reading and I go, I'm very familiar with all the stuff that you're writing about because I've been such a scholar of your work. And I've said to myself over and over again, there needs to be a way to recognize the hard work that goes into bringing about the alternative viewpoint that embraces the twilight language, that embraces the patterns, that shows that why isn't anybody aware of these things?

because we have been shut down, our senses have been shut down in the programming phase of what TV and propaganda is all about. And it's more evident now with COVID-19 than it's ever been for anything. And the people of the World Economic Forum say, oh, this is such a blessing. It's such a way for us to reboot and start over and all this other thing. And I'm just like shaking my head going, do people really understand what they're being told? Do they know that this is the plan? You're going to be replaced by robots. You're going to be told you can't do anything. You're going to be locked down when they feel like it. And you're going to be in a surveillance state. Wow. That's something that sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, that's the degradation of our humanity on the road to this bestialization that I think is really a central core of where the conspiracy is taking us.

And so as people's powers of reason decay and they're more and more situated as percipients at the Society of the Spectacle where they put on their 3D glasses. They may say they're opposed to the system, but they're waiting for the next Batman movie to come out in 3D with an even higher level of sonic fidelity and more comfortable chairs. And so they have us in the spectating mode. And as long as we're there, rather than being like our great grandparents who were workers and achievers, then they have us exactly where they want us. And I think with this metaverse, which I guess is a euphemism for the old virtual reality, that when enough of that hallucination, which is made to be very seductive, I can't say it's going to be imposed on us. I think we're

going to volunteer for it is the next big thing. And someone who's going to mistake a hallucinatory world, a hallucination for the actual world, it's really a working definition not only of insanity, but also of being under a spell or a curse. Remember what Baudrillard said, being very cynical. He said, when the mind is exposed to the hyper real and it can't tell the difference, the mind just registers it as real. So if the hallucination is better than the reality, the mind chooses the hallucination. And people will be content to be in a 600 square foot apartment and virtually never leave it, whereas the dynastic occultists will be out enjoying the mountains, the wilderness, and the oceans. And that's where we're headed, but it's not inevitable.

Any one of us is the God-given ability to throw a monkey wrench in this, but it's necessary to have the will and to have the humanity to do it and to eschew so much of these snares that are prepared for us, mostly digitally and technologically. Do you think future shock is the reason why most people are rolling over and playing dead in all this? I think it's part of it, but also this, when you marry, when you look at the Black Mass, and you have to see the old Tridentine Catholic Mass to understand the Black Mass, watch the priest, and I'm not suggesting that's an evil thing by any means, but watch how every movement of the priest has significance, and the Black Mass, which is a mirror of that on the dark side, every single detail has significance. Now marry that

to the shedding of blood, always innocent blood. When I was a reporter, I investigated the double initial murders of young girls in Rochester, New York, the most innocent other than the aborted babies. And you marry that to this ritual, and it becomes a very powerful form of conditioning for humanity that's exposed to it. And that has mind-napping abilities there. And I would suggest that people need to separate themselves from it for a time or possibly even permanently. For some reason, God's given me the grace to immerse myself in this, and I don't have bad dreams. But I think a lot of us do, and we must be careful in terms of how susceptible we are. I think if I recall some of your older books, you were talking about how Manson and Son of Sam and

the Zodiac Killer and all these guys were basically allowed to do what they do because it was in order to traumatize people into demanding the government do something. And the more you rely on daddy to fight your battles, the more you get used to the idea that the government will eliminate whatever monster is out there, that they're into the idea of creating dragons and then they slay the same dragons they create. Am I right? Sure. Safety instead of freedom. America was founded on the idea that we would prefer to be free rather than safe. Now it's been reversed. Right. People forget that we do live with risks all the time and that's why i think covet 19 has been such a uh such a i guess you could say a detriment to our humanity in the sense that you know we're told that this is going to kill us but it doesn't kill everybody uh the the recovery rate is higher than we're told

and yet people are just so ravenous with get the vaccine do this do this mandates and they're going to fall on the sword and destroy themselves over the idea of of dying they're going to die in order to die. It's crazy. This is where you have no choice. This is where it gets, like I say, it's where the devil is in the details. It's the devilation of the method. They say, oh, you have a choice, but you don't. You're coerced. You're forced. You're blackmailed. You're gaslighted. And everybody is bamboozled. It's just, I don't know. It makes sense if you really apply it. If you just want to poo-poo it and say it's all conspiracy theory, you're going to lose. Michael A. Hoffman with us tonight on Ground Zero. Back with more. Don't go away.

Michael A. Hoffman is with us tonight on Ground Zero. As a historian, I'm curious as to how you think history is going to treat the 21st century, at least in its beginnings. um i think that a great deal of it has to do with 9-11 again um the starting point the omega point being at the world trade center yeah besides kubrick's prophecy in terms of his reference to a an odyssey beginning in 2001 and the movie itself doesn't have a great deal to do with

9-11, although you recognize that that monolith there around which the movie turns was quite prevalent in late 2020, where the monolith turned up in the desert southwest outside of Moab as a kind of precursor to the year that we're in right now. But I think that historians will notice that there is a remarkable kind of and you use the term witchery um in the world trade center attack if you look at one of the most iconic images connected to that was the people jumping out of the tower as it was burning in flames yeah and uh and the uh the the 16th card of the writer weight

tarot cards the number 16 card uh has people jumping out of a burning tower and then at the the pentagon of course is the tarot cards number five of pentacles so you have 16 and five is 21 and the number 16 assigned to the tower card symbolizes the uh secchio oreo the golden section the golden ratio or golden number, which is pi after the 21st letter in the Greek alphabet. And so the downfall of that tower in the inferno of September 11th, I think a historian, if they have the expanded Fortean mind, is going to see that as something like a 9-11 emergency call to

the psyche of the group mind. So we're stepping outside of mere empirical history. We're starting to measure the circle beginning at the mind itself and the spirit and the poetry of things rather than just being captive to the tyranny of numbers it's funny that with all of this gematria or numerology the analysis of it takes us into the realm of art which is it's so it isn't just circumscribed by the particulars of science and i see it as a burst of illuminated consciousness that was released on 9-11 and properly channeled and directed, that group mind energy has been harnessed to produce the conditions for the imposition of an even more enormous and conceited

tower. And then at the other end of the equation is the five-sided Pentagon, represented both, and this I think is important because it relates to the old story about the holy grail and no one could figure out what it is. The cosmic force of the five-pointed blazing star, which as you recall, Clyde, the Scottish Rite Supreme Commander Albert Pike, he related it to the dog star Sirius, personified in Egypt as Set-An, what we call Satan, as well as the door through which Set-An's power manifests on earth. And I relate that to the exploitation of the feminine principle of the wounded but undying nature under the occult veil of isis in other words she who bleeds and is not injured she who bleeds and does not die that's the divine menstrual

in occultism and it's represented numerically by the mean number of days in the menstrual cycle five so this union of the exploding phallic tower 16 i don't want to get too freudian here but think about it. And the wounded but functioning Pentagon comprises an equation totaling 21, and it's at that point in the flow of time where the process manifests in the 2001 gateway to the 21st century epoch. And I believe that historians in the future will have that visionary approach to what is otherwise what the cryptocracy would like us to be, believe, is a mere empirical record of current events. While you're on the idea of tarot cards and you're on the idea of the tower card and the pentacle card, don't forget the high priestess card.

The two towers are on the high priestess card and in the middle is that high priestess, the Isis. And if you were to, before the towers came down, if you were to approach yourself in a way looking across the harbor there at the Statue of Liberty, she stood between those two towers and it looked just like the high priestess card that we see in the tarot deck. Amazing stuff. Michael Hoffman with us tonight on Ground Zero. Twilight Language is the book, and we've got a lot of people waiting to get on the lines. We've got lines packed tonight, so we're going to get to the calls, too. 503-225-0860. That's 503-225-0860. Back with more right here on Ground Zero. Don't go away. In the waters of the stream Where is my mind?

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This has got to be fast and quiet. Just boom, boom, boom. Man, surgical. That's what it's got to be. You know, I've got to be straight with you, man. Whacking bin Laden wasn't this complicated. Figure it out. On the one hand, we live at a time when there is more information available at our fingertips than at any other time. But on the other, it seems that so many of us turned information that confirms our wildest imaginations. Watch closely at the right of your screen as a second jetliner heads for what even to the untrained eye looks like a surgical strike into the South Tower against a backdrop of

gentle blue sky. It seems fewer and fewer Americans believe the official U.S. government account of the assassination. I'm going to shoot you right now. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world. The United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda. A terrorist who was responsible for the murder of thousands. Wouldn't it have been nice if we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner than that? Wouldn't it have been nice? Something like this is not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about America. Just this week, you retweeted to your 87 million followers a conspiracy theory that Joe Biden

orchestrated to have SEAL Team 6, the Navy SEAL Team 6, killed to cover up the fake death of bin Laden. Now, why would you send a lot like that to your followers? You retweeted it. is a retweet. I'm Clyde Lewis. You are listening to Ground Zero. Psychologists are beginning to term conspiracy theory as somewhat of an intellectual vice. They claim that it is up there with dogmatism, gullibility, and closed-mindedness, which leads to extreme thinking. But is it really all that extreme? In this era of political power grabs, destabilization ploys, There's deeper and more insidious truth, and that is the politicians and most authority figures, including police officers and others today, make it a point to lie about their lives.

It is naive to believe that we are ever or never lied to and to equate questioning the movements of government with the idea that it could lead to radicalization. That's a ploy to convince others that those who question the establishment are more than likely capable of becoming radicalized or a domestic terrorist. the term received wisdom from any source especially from a government should be taken into a critical view and i will say this it is also equally important to be critical of conspiracy theory i've said many times the conspiracy theory is merely theory until there are facts to back up those theories and when theories are proven to be correct we immediately understand them to be facts regardless of what the so-called consensus dictates however to not question what your government is doing or to not question authority means that we are to develop some form of myopic blind trust about political affairs and major events that affect all of us.

The worst naivete is to believe that politicians would never lie to you. The denial is believing that they are at our service and not at the bidding of big money lobbyists and financiers. Furthermore, trusting the government in all things gives an excuse to abuse and take advantage of the good nature of most Americans. Tonight on Ground Zero, Michael A. Hoffman, and Twilight Language is the book. I would say this. I would say that America now is an illusion. I've said it many, many times. It's very much the metaverse that they're planning on putting on all of us. The nostalgic America of what we had in the past is now gone, and so now they give us this illusion of America where we believe that those who are in power are running the show when in reality someone's running it from behind the scenes. What are your thoughts on who's running it behind the scenes and why?

I think that as a historian, I always have to look at the present through the prism of the past. And for me, it's really a model of what the secret societies like Rosicrucians, who predated Freemasonry, and in fact were forerunners of it, laid out in the 17th century. Their famous manifestos called the Rosicrucian Manifestos, initially published anonymously, and now we know who wrote them. and I think what informs it and what our conversation has outlined this evening, Clyde, is that we're seeing the capacity of human brain power to take command over the world, over humanity, where the soul is being lost. And this was presented the sucker bait of this Rosicrucianism, which led to Freemasonry,

which you could say was the hippie movement of the 18th century, was this idea that it represented the liberation of humanity. But this being saddled or harnessed to brainpower alone, and that's really what's in charge of our world today and in the diminution of America and the Constitution and the things that we hold precious. because from Monsanto and Bayer on down to the other compromises with nature that we see, this is based on a fundamental principle of the hermetic Kabbalah. Magia and Kabbalah is what the science is really, we can date science back to the 17th century, the rise of what we consider science today. And it's interesting that it was formally integrated with Magia and Kabbalah.

Now, there's a lot of optimistic people would say, isn't that wonderful? Isn't that the spirit that you're talking about, Mr. Hoffman? But it isn't, because when it's brainpower alone, then it's ego isolated and by itself. And the ultimate egoism is of the scientist who rarely pays attention to the blowback and consequences of tampering with human life, whether it's cloning or whether it's implanting pig organs into human beings that have been genetically modified or the genetic modification of nature itself. They use the excuse that we've always modified nature through selective breeding and hybrids and so forth. But those were all linked. However, minuscule, they were all linked to nature. There's no possibility of nature developing a genetically modified organism. That's artificial. It's the intervention of human brain power

which has become soulless and detached from the demands of nature. And that's where I think undergirds the subversion of the America that we hold dear. And you're right. And nostalgia, to a large extent, is a corrupt sentiment because it's mostly based on reflection rather than activism. Exactly. But I must say, I've been hopeful about the school board uprisings of parents, even though their kids really shouldn't be in a public school. But if they're not wealthy and mom and dad are both working two jobs, sometimes that's the only way their children can be educated. And they've risen up to say, no, we're going to speak to these authorities who allegedly have autonomy over us and our children. That's a positive movement. And there are other elements.

And I think it's free of Trumpism and it's free a lot of the more degenerate conspiracy theorizing. And it's the rise of maybe a new movement that's fighting its legs. I certainly hope so, and I certainly hope they'll also be aware of all of these occult crimes that still need to be addressed. And there has to be justice for the victims. Definitely, I agree with you. We're going to go to some calls now at 503-225-0860. Let's go to Chase, calling in from Michigan tonight. You're on with Michael Lakehoffman. Go ahead. Thank you, Clyde. You should have this guest on. Jeez, how about every two weeks? You up for that, Michael? I couldn't, I can't hear the question. Oh, you can't hear him? He said, I should have you on every two weeks. Thank you.

Yeah, go ahead. So, I believe Michael authored the book, A Secret Society is in Psychologic Warfare. Yes, he did. And I think I heard you say something earlier about Tim Russert. Yeah. And there's the number 322. 322. 322, yes. Right. So I'm wondering, Michael, whether that's some kind of a occultic numeral that might symbolize three strands, three strands of 22 chromosomes. Okay. So does the 322 in skull and bones, is it three strands of 22 chromosomes? That's what he's asking.

Interesting. I've never heard that, and I've never been able to decrypt 322. There are some theories, but I regard them more or less as hypotheses, and therefore I haven't wanted to entertain them. But that's an interesting one, and it's a possibility, but I can't say for certain. May I take one other thing, please? Sure. A thousand points of light. On September 11, 1990, was it? uh george hw uh made that declaration a thousand points of light new world order etc yeah the new world order speeches on september 11th yes uh-huh and then then uh junior uh subsequent to 9-11 in the immediate aftermath uh made this statement there's still an angel in the

whirlwind yeah the angel yeah he said that during the uh state of the union he talked about the angel in the whirlwind you want to know what that is right yes the angel in the whirlwind what is your interpretation of that michael i wonder wasn't the airplane that flew president kennedy to love field on november 22nd named angel yeah it was i think it was uh yeah i wonder i mean i wonder sometimes it takes more of a poet than a historian to in order to countenance some of these anomalies. Well, see, I always thought that the angel in the whirlwind was Metatron, and many people equate Metatron with several other fallen angels, and it all gets whittled down to, I guess you could call it the spiritual Godwin argument, that basically everything gets whittled

down to Satan and his minions, literally. And Johann Andreas Eisenmenger in his band book, Andectus Judentum, banned in 1700 by the Holy Roman Empire, his emperor has a large section on Metatron. Very interesting. He was a professor at the University of Heidelberg, an expert in Hebrew, Aramaic, and the ancient languages. It's quite a book, never translated into English. I used a term the other night that I thought maybe you'd be interested in, untermenschen, which of course is the sub-human, thinking that this is what the administration is doing, this is what government is doing now, and of course the World Economic Forum is doing now. We're becoming the subverse or the subhuman groups are going to be forced to eat crickets and bugs while they eat the good food and basically keep us as peasants.

Is this our future? Yeah, and we have to wear a mask while they don't. And, yeah, they largely hang that on, which it is. Nietzsche is responsible for popularizing that Friedrich Nietzsche. But they also just largely confine it to Hitler and Nietzsche. And so in our minds, we think there's a proprietary relationship between the right wing and that attitude. But actually, as we see in society today, the left itself has taken upon itself to create this aristocracy of progressivism. And if you're a member of that, then you're entitled to certain prerogatives and privileges, which the unwashed majority are not. And that's definitely emerging there, the notion of the subhumanity. but we ourselves have to prove to them and to ourselves that we are not at that level and that

takes us lifting ourselves up by our bootstraps rather than looking at any exterior forces being responsible for where we are we are responsible for our own destiny exactly let's go quickly to chris in florida hi chris you're on with michael a hoffman go ahead hey thank you for having me uh no definitely uh mr hoffman is uh touching some incredible points here but i actually wanted to touched base on what you were saying earlier about how quickly uh conspiracy theories are dismissed and how they talk about that they lack critical thinking you know the fact is i don't think it requires a whole lot of critical thinking to to know that the fact that the government has classified documents lets you know that they're not telling you everything they're doing exactly you know well see i think what it is though is it's like what michael and i both mourn or we

born the loss of using history as a guide to create or develop facts around a theory the intention or the intent of why someone would do something like this what would be the imperative what would be and when people always yell false flag from the rafters i say well what would be the purpose of a false flag if they could just carry it out themselves it doesn't make any sense i'm sure a lot of people use the word false flag too to mean something that's fake not everything's fake i mean things can be planned things can be carried out that way but we need to go with the evidence and the facts not just throwing things around like we we we know what's going on because we heard a guy with a megaphone say so what i'm saying is is that we need to we need to work hard and not be lazy in our own way because we say well if it's on the news i don't believe it well okay use your news as a base and go in and try to figure it out just because it's an alternative

way of thinking doesn't necessarily mean it's truth and i will be the first to admit that but if you use history science and everything else and you can prove through documentation and other things that you're right that's another thing completely i think right and i love what mr hoffman the point that he said earlier about how looking at the present through the prism of the past right that's what i do you you look at something like 9-11 i mean look in the past 1963 operation northwoods presented to john f kennedy yeah well not just that look at what happened on 1973 september 11th look at operation condor and what that was about too i mean they They have these numbers, and as Michael says, they have these numbers, and those who are involved with Condor were the same people that were involved with 9-11. Kissinger, Cheney, the Bushes, Nixon, all these people.

Anyway, 503-22-50860. That's 503-22-50860. We'll be back. Michael A. Hoffman is with us tonight on Ground Zero. Michael, your new book, Twilight Language, is out. I'd like to know how we can pick up on that book.

And your other books, too, because they're amazing. Where do we go to find your books? Revisionisthistory.org, and then there's other sellers online that are also offering it, Clyde. And it's available now? Yes. Okay. Came out in July. Fantastic, fantastic. Let's go to Walt in Pennsylvania. Hey, Walt, you're on Ground Zero. Clyde, with all due respect to Mr. Hoffman, you know, these wild conspiracy theories may sell books, but I think it's preposterous to blame the Bush, the Bush family in any way for the nine 11 atrocity. Well, you know, the first attempt on the world trade center was made by a known

brainwashed jihadist in 93 during the Clinton administration. Who had a relationship with the CIA. And if you know anything about George Tenet, he told Condoleezza Rice and Rich Blee even said that there would be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. That was months ahead of the attacks on the World Trade Center. Now, who was in the White House at the time of the World Trade Center's attacks? George H.W. Bush was. Why was he there in the command center there? It seemed that the Bush family certainly had a lot to say and do with 9-11. Same with Cheney, same with all the others. And they all knew. I mean, what about the project for the new American Century, Walt? Who was the authors of those guys talking about the new Pearl Harbor? It wasn't some kid in an elementary school writing it. It was the Bush administration and the Cheney's and the Wolfowitz's and the Scooter Libby's.

They were all the ones that wrote that manifesto that they wanted a new Pearl Harbor. And what do you know? A year later, they got it. So if you think it's absurd, you need to do some reading. You need to read. Clyde, am I still on? Of course you are. Well, the 9-11 hijackers went to jetliner flight school during the Clinton administration. And the leader of the 19 hijackers was named Muhammad Ali Adha. So what are we going to say that, you know, the former... Even though we had a bunch of crazed terrorists, even though we had a bunch of crazed terrorists flying in planes, it doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy. It was all thought up. I mean, think about it. I mean, what, Osama bin Laden, we had, what, you look at Zbigniew Brzezinski, he said they're firing guns with Osama bin Laden.

We've had these plans with these people and blowbacks for some time to sit there and pretend like it's all just, you know, random, I think is silly. What do you think, Michael? Sorry. I think the overriding issue is the controlled demolitions. Sure, the Arabs were used as patsies, as frontmen and props, but how did the Twin Towers come down? How did building number seven come down? And it came down by controlled, as some of the eminent physicists have said, even though they've been crowded out by the consensus. So for me, it's the proof of my eyes watching. I've seen other buildings exploded and detonated, old, tottering buildings. And I saw the same.

It's one of the first things most of us saw. Wow, look it, they're coming down. I know. Yeah, and the media even said it themselves. They said, look, it looks like a controlled demolition. Michael, we're out of time. Thank you so much for being on this program. And yeah, we'll bring you on again because it's always a pleasure having you on. You and I, we just feed off each other. I love it. Thank you for affording me the opportunity. Oh, always, Michael. Thank you so much for being on the program. Michael A. Hoffman. Remember, Twilight Language. You need to pick up that book and all of his other books, too, because if you read what he has written for some time, you begin to understand the patterns and understand everything else. Revisionishistory.org. We'll be back with On Beyond Zero on aftermath.fm. Don't go away.

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